- Hey, guys. Welcome to another Double Tap on YouTube. I am Steven Scott. I'm here at the Zero Project Conference in Vienna, and we've been catching up with some pretty cool companies, one in particular called lumen. - Sure, my name is Cornel Amariei, and I'm the CEO and founder of .lumen, where we build glasses that empower the blind to live a better life. - [Steven] Well, first off, thank you so much for coming over here to see us at Double Tap. You were at CES this year, right? - We were also at CES. Yes. - Yeah. - We were at CES. We were doing demonstrations over there. It was a great, great experience. It was a very tiring experience. This is definitely a much smaller crowd over here, but still very, very excited to be here as well. - [Steven] So tell me about your product. - Sure. - What is it? - So I wanna start with the problem, basically. The problem which we're tackling is that the guide dog, it's a great solution, but it has a couple of drawbacks. It costs a lot to train a guide dog. And the second one is a lot of responsibility to take care of a guide dog. It's a lot of effort to take care of a guide dog. But what a guide dog does, it does great. So our question was, can we replicate what the guide dog does in technology without the drawbacks that make the guide dog a non-scalable solution? Because if you think of a guide dog, you have over 100 million people who could potentially benefit from a guide dog, but there are only 28,000 guide dogs in the entire world. So this is what we do at the .lumen. We basically created the .lumen glasses, which they use self-driving technology to do what the guide dog does without the drawbacks that the guide dog has. But to give an analogy of what we actually do, if you think of a guide dog, you can ask a guide dog now to guide you in general or to take you to a specific object, and the guide dog will do this by pulling your hand, avoiding you from obstacles, keeping you on the sidewalk, stopping you at crossing, stopping you at stairs, et cetera. You can ask the .lumen glasses the same thing, and they will do the same, but rather than pulling your hand as the guide dog does, we actually pull your head. So it actually feels with our haptic vibration interface, how something is holding your head and how something is pulling your forehead in the direction you have to go. It's immensely intuitive. You'll be able to test very, very soon. And, you know, we have testing with over 300 blind individuals. We are in clinical investigations. We're putting the product on the market as a medical device at the end of the year. We have been working on this for three years, a team of 50 scientists and engineers part of this company at this point. And, you know, we just can't wait to put a product on the market and to help people. And maybe to go a bit to the beginning, the reason this company exists is because I was born in a family of people with disabilities. I'm the only person without a disability in my family. And after a career in the automotive field where I worked on self-driving and electric mobility and everything, I decided to take that technology and to actually do something which is much more pedestrian, but really empowering lives of people. - Wow. I don't know where to start on this one. Honestly, there's so many questions I have. But I'm gonna let you have a question here, Shaun, - Thank you. - 'cause I will start asking a million questions. - We'll come back to pulling of your head to guide you. - Yeah. - We'll come back to that. That's really interesting. But I'm interested in the self-driving. You said you came from that- - Yep. - that sector before anyway, and that led you here. And we're seeing a lot of products are using sort of that technology of LiDAR, 3D mapping, you know, and cameras. All so good, but when it comes to something like navigation and getting around for us, it's how you can map the environment, but how do you get that information across to us? You know, is it an audio feedback? Is it haptic like you are using there? - Sure. - How do you deal with that information and getting it back to the actual user of the device? - Sure. So the first thing which we did differently, since the 1950s, people have been trying to represent visual information in a non-visual way. So, you know, you get audio where there are obstacles, you get vibrations where there are obstacles. The problem with that is the world is simply too complex. You will get to sensory overload way too quickly, because, you know, the moment you have more than two obstacles, you can no longer, you know, compute the sound or vibrations, really, really understand what's happening fast enough. So what we said that we're gonna do 100% differently is we will not go that path. However, we looked at the guide dog, and the guide dog is not barking when there's an obstacle. No, it guides me around it, and this is what we did. But rather than having the same, and rather than having like a big thing which has to walk next to you, we decided to scale it down to a wearable, to something which you can comfortably wear. And after a tremendous amount of tests, we determined that the head region is the safest and the best region to actually have this kind of feedback. So what we do with haptics is that rather than pulling your hand, rather than feeling that something is pulling your hand, we actually pull your head around obstacles, around everything. It's immensely intuitive. The problem is that in words, I didn't find the right way of saying it. I never found the right way. But the moment you'll test, you can explain how it feels, and how you can use those vibrations to guide you. Now we have audio, we have text. You can actually speak with the device, and the device will answer you. You have a button menu with audio. Sorry, you have a button audio menu. You have ways which you can interact from your smartphone. For example, if you wanna go to a more like far away destination, like say you're here at the Vienna UN, but you wanna go in Stephansplatz in the center of Vienna, you can actually go on Google Maps, search for Stephansplatz, press share, and you could actually share to the device, to our glasses, and they will take you there. They will guide you. They will find you that tram station. They will help you get in the tram, and they'll help you get off over there. So it's basically everything that a self-driving car will do, but basically on the feedback we use audio and haptics in a new and intuitive way. - So I have heard a lot over the years about these kind of products. I hear about the replacement for the cane, the SmartCane, you know, the smart guide dog, the replacement of the guide dog. Is that what you're selling here, or are you selling this as an additional to those original mobility ways? - We have nothing to do with the SmartCane, or with the white cane or with the SmartCane. People can still use the white cane together with our technology. Even if, technically speaking, you no longer need it, actually the device can detect that you're using a white cane and it can ignore it. - But would you recommend people using this product as opposed to using a cane? - I do not. We do not compete with neither the white cane, neither the guide dog. Our purpose is not to replace the guide dog. There are way too few guide dogs in the world, so we do not want to replace the guide dog. What we want to do is to bring the same benefits as the guide dog does, but with the other basically 39 plus million blind individuals who cannot have a guide dog. That's what we do. So for the people who have a guide dog and who can live that lifestyle and can take care and everything, then they have the solution. Then we're not for them. We're for the other people who do not have a guide dog, because they do not want to have one because it's a complicated lifestyle, because it's too expensive, et cetera. That's what we want to do. In terms of the white cane, technically we can replace the white cane practically. We don't necessarily want to. I think that you still have some situational awareness, which you understand with your tactile feel, and the device will basically do what the guide dog does. There are people who use both the guide dog and the white cane, so they're not mutually exclusive. - And where is it at the moment in terms of, I mean, you're saying that you're going through the process of getting this clinically agreed and all of that. How is it progressing in that way? - I mean, it's absolutely great. I mean we have tested with over, at this point, 300 blind individuals, and we are finishing everything and all documentation to release it as a Class I medical device end of the year. So basically this will be a medical device released end of the year in our country, but then very, very quickly we're gonna scale it to other markets as well. So next year we're discussing about a worldwide device as a medical device. - Wow. - So, what sort of objects does it detect? I mean, in self-driving car, obviously there's certain things you're looking out for. - Sure. - Has that been tweaked for specifically this use case? - Yes, I mean it's built from the ground up specifically for the pedestrian use case. And there are a lot of differences. I mean, for example, a car has a constant height plus/minus suspension. Humans, you know, they sit, they go up, they do a lot of crazy things, which a self-driving car does not. But to give you a bit of context, we do, I think, three important things, which I can... More than three, but three important things. The first thing is that we understand the world geometrically. So we understand what is the ground and all the obstacles above it or below it. However, that is definitely not enough. Why? Just because the surface is flat, it doesn't mean it's safe to walk on. An example which I love is a lake. A lake is perfectly flat. It doesn't mean you can walk on it. And I'm, you know, looking for all the other technologies which can guide you towards a lake. Then that's where we add a second level. We use basically the best artificial intelligence model in the world, which we have designed on our own data, own architecture and everything, in order to understand that this is a sidewalk, this is a road, this is a crossing, this is a lake, this is a puddle, this is mud. So all of the surfaces, which most of them look exactly flat, it doesn't mean you can walk on them, but we detect all of those, and we integrate it into what a device understands. And the first thing which we do is that we compute safely walkable paths over 100 times a second so that you can avoid all the obstacles, so that you cans stay on the safe walking terrain, et cetera, be it to the sidewalk, be it indoors, et cetera. We do all of that. And all of that combined is what brings the basic guiding functionality. On top of the guiding functionality, we have a lot of other things which are helpful. For example, detection of objects which are of interest, of chairs or doors or stairs. Buses is something which we're doing now. Basically very, very soon I think we're gonna finish this. We will be able to actually, we will be able to integrate public transport in the device. So if you are here and you wanna go to city central of Vienna, the device will take you to the tram station. We already tested this. And then you will be able to, it will help you to walk into the tram, and then it will help you get off the tram and everything. So all of those things are also being integrated, and those are on top of the basic guidance which the system does. We also do reading, also do other functions, which are, you know, at the moment we have a head-worn wearable. You can do a lot. But a basic, basic, basic functionality, which is the most important for us, it's related to our purpose of aiding mobility, is replicating what the guide dog does in the basic guiding situation. - And what about night time? You know, could this thing see at night? - It can see at night, but to give a disclaimer at the beginning, we are releasing it with daytime use. So it will work sunlight, how do you say, will work from sunrise to sunset. This is our target now. It does see very well in the night. We haven't certified it for the night yet, but we're getting there soon. - And this is, it's not-AI driven, but it's AI's behind it. - It's AI-powered, yes. - Yeah. And that is growing all the time. The capability of AI is growing all the time. So, do you think we're at the worst this can ever be at this stage? You know, it can only improve, it can only get better, it can only get more capable? - Yes. - So as a device? - It will get, even basically we're a software startup, so we do design the hardware with an external provider of hardware services and everything, but we're a software startup. So, the device gets over there updates and it becomes smarter and smarter and smarter. - Which is what a lot of these companies are doing now, right? You're going third party for the company, for the hardware, but actually a lot of the software is what you're working on, what you are devising. And you say you've worked with over 300 people who are blind in your country. - Not only in our country, so all over the world. - Around the world. - But most of the people are from our countries, as we do most of the experimentation, therefore logistics, logistic reasons. - Right. - But most of the people are from my country of Romania, Eastern Europe, but we have tested all over the world. We have actually tested the device in 20 countries at this point. - Well, we've seen three or four people going up and down in front of us today, haven't we, so that's a bit more interesting. - You're gonna test it later, right? You're gonna test it? - Yeah, hopefully. I'm going to test it later on so- - My colleagues are waiting for you, so no worries about that. - Oh, fantastic. Can't wait. - Yeah, it's really, really interesting. You know, your company name comes up a lot, and it's interesting because there are a lot of companies over the years that have tried to do what you're doing, and they either fall by the wayside or they just don't quite capture the imagination. Yours seems to be capturing, you know, CES for example, a lot of people are excited about, a lot of mainstream publications are talking about your product. - That's true. - And I know some of that is just interest because it's different, but of course, you know, it is a device which can really make a difference to us if it works properly. You're saying it's gonna be out by the end of the year as a Class I medical device in Romania. - It's European Union, and for FDA approval in the United States, we're gonna target next year, beginning of next year. - Okay, and how will this be rolled out? Is your intention for it to be rolled out as a medical device, or people can buy it? - So basically what we do in Europe, you know, point of this company is to help people. This is why we founded the company, to help people. And for Europe we're working with all the possible reimbursement funds in each country individually so that we can get this at either a very low cost or for free for people with visual disabilities. - Well, that works in your favor, doesn't it? Because it allows you to cover your cost for R&D, and allows us to get access to the product. - True. We're searching the same for United States. So we're exploring the United States market and how it works and how reimbursement works over there, how subsidies work over there. The dimension of the out-of-pocket market and everything, the point is the same, to help as many people as possible. We have three generations of the product already planned. The first one is indeed for markets like Europe and the U.S., but the second generation, which is coming roughly three years, that generation is gonna be as technology advances, you know, better, cheaper, faster, lighter, et cetera, and it's targeted for more markets. And by the third generation, 2028 is scheduled, we hope to go into the lower income markets when the device will be much cheaper, et cetera. So we're continuously working on tackling more and more markets with a device, with a price point which is attractive to more and more markets depending on the reimbursement, depending on the subsidies in each market. But to get back to the U.S., in the U.S. we're now working with several partners, and we want to enhance that partner network in order to bring it to the market, in order to see how we can maximize the amount of reimbursement and subsidies that a person can get in order to purchase our technology, and to basically help as many people as possible. And we do need help. We need help towards helping as many people as possible. - But with all those barriers, you face probably the biggest one, which is trust. Because if you give me a device like this and say, and I know you're not saying it can replace the white cane, although potentially it could, but I think I'd be very cautious of ever letting go of my white cane. I don't know about you, Shaun, but I would want my white cane with me. - No. - You wanna get rid of it? - No, no. I'm just saying that this is, if it delivers and performs as well as you say it can, this could potentially be another mobility aid. I don't, I mean, the white cane and the guide dog has so far has earned our trust, right? After years and years and years, we trust on that and we know we can rely on it. - Well, it's the intelligence of the dog, and it's the simplicity of the cane, I think, which is the winner. You can't really go wrong with a stick, right? - That's true. - It's not gonna break down. Well, it doesn't need a software update. You know, it doesn't... You know, you just use it. - You don't need to charge it. - It can fall apart on you. - It does. - That's for sure. - Mine has. Yeah, that's happened. But I think that's gonna be the challenge, is getting people to trust it. So, what're you doing there? Because in your trials that must come up. - Sure. - People must be nervous when they put this thing on. - Well, the thing is, a very good indicator, I had a year ago a very good indicator. About at one year ago we were doing some absolutely random testing in Lisbon, in Portugal. And I was there, my two members of my team were there. There was a vision impaired individual which began testing, and he went away like 150 meters or like 400 feet from us. And I was looking at my team standing somewhere else just chatting and laughing, and that's the moment when I realized, "Okay, we are there." Because if my team 100% trust to leave this device, then that was one year ago, to 100% leave this device to be operated with a person which only experimented for 5 or 10 minutes, then we're going in the right path. No incidents ever happened with testing the technology. Now, what we are doing specifically on that, in order to grow that trust and everything, we are recommending, heavily recommending for the individuals which use our device to also use the white cane. And we actually designed the device to detect that white cane and to ignore it as an obstacle, because, you know, having a white cane- - Oh, that's clever. - That would be an obstacle. And the way we do that is, I will not really say how we do that 'cause we're still patenting it, but it's really, really interesting, just, you know, such a simple thing, just to use your white cane together with the technology which is designed to keep you away from obstacles. It's, you know, technically incredibly complicated to take care of not detecting it as an obstacle. - Yeah. - But we're recommending people to still use their white cane, because it still gives you the context of understanding a bit better what a device is doing. We are working on, in the training, so the device will teach every user how to be used, and we'll publish new and new lessons in the device so that you can experiment more. And even if the device, for example, computes a way, which, you know, it takes away from obstacles from far away, and it computes like even in some cases 30 feet in front of you, when you still use a white cane we're looking at opportunities that we can actually bring you much closer to the obstacles so you can understand where the obstacle is and how the device takes you around it. So we're basically letting the device, together with the technology which you know how to use well, which is the white cane, to earn your trust by understanding what it does. So this is one of the things which we do. No incidents have ever happened. We had tremendously incredible, absolutely incredible feedback from our technology. There are still points which are improving. We're always making it smaller, we're always making it better. We're always increasing battery life and et cetera. But no, no incidents ever happened. From the way things go, probably no incidents will ever happen. Multiple redundant mechanisms taking care of this. Everything we do in self driving, we do on a device as well. So there are at least three redundant mechanisms taking care of you in the same time. Each one independent. It will never happen, but, you know, if a bullet goes through one of the batteries, you will still be safe. The device will still be able to not guide you anywhere where it's difficult. So it is designed by that amount of technical scrutiny and everything. - Well, I know, Shaun's looking forward to trying it out. We're gonna get you over to try it out, and we'll hear that a bit later on. But for now, thank you so much for coming on. Tell people how they can follow your progress and what you're doing. - Sure, there are two options. .lumen.com. That would be our website. Or, you know, just go on Google and search .lumen, and you'll find our social media, you'll find our website, and we try to be roughly active on social media and everything. We really wanna share the journey of this. - Brilliant. Good luck with it. - Thank you so much guys. - Okay, so that is the news about the tech, but what's it like to try it out? Well, Shaun Preece has been off testing out lumen on the move. - Yes. Thanks, Steven. So I'm here ready to try the lumen device, and someone's with me now. Who's here? - I'm Octavian. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. - So I have the device ready, so- - [Shaun] Okay. - I'm gonna help you put it on. - Now, I was told to throw my cane away, I didn't need it, so I'm trusting you. Wow. Okay. - Let me make sure it's good enough. It should be snug and comfortable. It shouldn't be uncomfortable. - I've got a funny shaped head. Okay. - Yeah. - That is... So let me just describe it a little bit. So it's like a VR headset, but resting above across my forehead and round the back of my head. It's not too heavy, but it's got some weight to it, but this is a prototype still? - Yeah, exactly. So this is a prototype. The production version is gonna be about 30, 40% lighter. - Okay, so how does it work? - The balance is gonna be, it's gonna be a lot more balanced so you won't feel the weight. - [Shaun] Okay. - So it's gonna be even more comfortable. - It does feel straight. It does feel like there's some sort of weight to my head. It's almost like it's pulling me right now, but it's not on. I think I'm imagining that. Okay, so how does this work? - It's gonna be pulling you in just a bit. - Okay. - But it's perfect. - So we're gonna do, we have like a whole tutorial section. When you first take out the device out the box, it's gonna basically instruct you how to use it. - Okay. - So everything from buttons, voice commands, Guide Mode, and Take Me, basically everything you need to know about the device. We're gonna skip over that right now. - Yeah. - I think it makes sense. So we're gonna go straight to the haptic feedback. - Okay. - [Octavian] So you're gonna feel basically the guidance on your forehead. Get used to it. - Okay. - [Octavian] Move around a bit. When you're comfortable, we're gonna go to Guide Mode- - Right. - [Octavian] which is basically mimicking what the guide dog does. - Okay. - [Octavian] So it's gonna avoid your obstacles and try to take you the way you are pointing the device. - Right, okay. - Does it make sense? - Yeah, let's try it out. I'm ready. - I'm gonna go through the menu, and just so you know what I'm doing, can you...? - Oh sorry, yeah. - Have your hand up. Yeah. - Of course. - So if you use your thumb, there's three buttons about... - Okay, three buttons on the underside towards the, yeah, front temple, front right temple. - [Octavian] Yeah, so that's one way of operating device. - Okay. - [Octavian] That other way is through voice command. So everything you can do with the buttons, you can do through the voice command, so you don't need to use your hands at all. - Got ya. - [Octavian] So just tell it, "Hey, lumen, guide me," or, "Hey, lumen, do the tutorial," whatever, right? - Right. - [Octavian] We're gonna use the buttons for now, just because it's easier for this. - Okay, so every time you're pressing that button, I'm hearing the Guide Me. - [Octavian] Yeah, I'm going through the menu now. - Take Me. Yeah. - [Octavian] I'm gonna go to the tutorial section. - [Lumen] Tutorials. - [Octavian] Perfect. - [Lumen] Complete tutorial. - [Octavian] Complete tutorial, don't wanna do that, 'cause it's a bit long for this. - [Lumen] Tutorial. - We got time. - [Octavian] Buttons. - No we haven't. - [Lumen] Haptic tutorial. - So haptic tutorial. - Okay. - [Octavian] And yeah, just listen to the lady. - [Lumen] Now it is time to learn about the haptic feedback. Haptic feedback is one of the glasses' two methods to interact with the user. - Okay. - [Lumen] On your forehead, there are nine motors that will intuitively vibrate to guide you. - There's nine motors on my forehead. - [Lumen] This is the one on the left. - That's scary. - [Octavian] It didn't know that. - [Lumen] This is the one on the left. - Oh. - [Lumen] The one in the middle. - Oh wow, okay. - [Lumen] And here's a suite. - Right, so I'm feeling little vibrations all on my forehead right now. That is strange. They're not really strong, just like... - [Lumen] Did you feel the vibrations? - Yes. - [Lumen] It's done. Please adjust the glasses and press the middle button. - So she's asking me if I felt that. - [Lumen] Press any other button to continue. - [Octavian] So it's really important. This is basically the main guiding, the main feedback you're gonna feel- - Okay. - [Octavian] from being guided by the system. So it's really important that you feel them right. - Right, yep. - [Octavian] You can adjust this. Did you feel them? - I did feel them. - Okay, so let's listen to... So press any button to continue. I press the button. - [Lumen] There might be situations in which you have to be notified about the dangers around you, or if you have reached your destination. - Okay, so now she's telling me- - [Lumen] This is how your forehead vibrates in case of emergency. - If there's an emergency, I will feel this vibration. Okay, so it's vibrating on both sides of my forehead. - [Lumen] You've finished this tutorial. - So that's emergency stop, basically. - Yeah, exactly. - So you're gonna feel that. We're gonna test that later on. - Oh good. - You're gonna feel it, for example, if you get too close to an obstacle. - Yes. - I'm gonna simulate that by just raising my hand. - Jumping in front of me. Okay. - Or you can cover the cameras. We can cover the system. - Right. - It's gonna tell you stop, there's possibly a danger, there's possibly like a dangerous situation. There's something in front of you. Stop and try to follow the feedback, right? - Perfect. - So we're gonna test that. So next up, let's be a more bit more dynamic with the vibrations. So let's do the head turner part. - [Lumen] Voice tutorial. Head turner. - Head turner. - [Octavian] Perfect. - [Lumen] Let's bring some fun to the table. - Let's bring some fun. - [Lumen] In this tutorial, - Oh no. - [Lumen] turn towards the vibration. Your goal is to keep the vibration in the middle of your forehead. - Ah, right. - [Lumen] Slowly rotate your head around. - Okay, so now I've gotta turn my head to keep the vibration in the middle of my forehead. - [Lumen] Please confirm that you are standing up by pressing any button to continue. - Okay, now press any button to confirm I'm standing up, which I'm doing. - [Lumen] The device will start vibrating. Remember, you should turn your head until you feel the vibration in the middle of your forehead. - So a lot like 3D audio with something like Soundscape, where you can use head tracking. - [Lumen] Congratulations. - It's using the same thing with vibration. - [Lumen] Try to reach it again. - So now it's vibrating here. So I'm gonna turn to the right, and now it's like there's a wasp crawling across my forehead. I don't know if that's good, it's something you want to use in your PR. - [Lumen] Try to reach it again. - Oh, okay. Now it's a pulsating vibration. - [Octavian] Exactly. - That is so strange. - [Lumen] You are doing good. - [Octavian] When you feel the pulsating vibration, - [Lumen] This a way of feedback used for navigation, - [Octavian] You found the three goals, perfect. - [Device] and to keep you safe from the potential danger. - Sorry. - I'll let you finish. - [Lumen] You have finished the head turner section of this tutorial. - I finished the head turner. - And that's it. - Okay. - [Octavian] That's basically the fundamentals of how the system will guide you. - Okay. - [Octavian] You're gonna need to do exactly the same thing when being guided by the system. So keep the vibration in the center. - Got you. - [Octavian] If you don't feel it, or if it's to the left or to the right... To the left, to the left. - Well done. - [Octavian] Your goal is to rotate around until it's in the center. - So the center is the safe path. - [Octavian] Exactly. - Is that what we're aiming for? Okay. - [Octavian] The system will always inform you of the safe path to go- - Yeah. - with the haptic feedback. So the vibration basically indicates to you where the safe path is. Right? - Right. - [Octavian] So, that's it. Yeah. - We gotta trust it. Okay. - [Octavian] Let's go. - Let's try it out with no cane. - [Octavian] No cane. - I'm quite- - It's gonna be- - nervous. We'll see. - [Octavian] You usually use a cane, right? - Yep. - Perfect. You have a guide dog as well? - No. - Okay. - [Lumen] Guide me. - Guide me. - [Octavian] So, that means the Guide Me mode, which is, again, mimics the guide dog. Basically you tell the system where you want to go by pointing it that way. So right now you're telling the system you wanna go straight ahead. - Yes, I do. There's no vibration at the moment. - [Octavian] No, no. I didn't activate this. - Oh, okay. - I was just explaining it. But less explaining. - Indoor Mode? - Indoor Mode, perfect. 'Cause we're indoor. - We are indoor. - [Lumen] Guide me activated in Indoor Mode, narrow. - Okay, narrow. - Yeah, you heard narrow. - So, right. And I'm feeling like these little fluttery vibrations here on the left-hand side. - Yeah, when you feel the pulsating vibration, that means you need to turn a lot that way. - Ah right, okay. - So 90 degrees or 180 degrees. - So I'm gonna turn that way, and it's now in the center-ish. - Yeah, it's probably gonna move around. - Yes, it does. - Because there is lots of people moving around, and it always computes where the safe path is. - Okay. - But that's it. Just follow it, and- - So, if I walk this way, ah, now it stops. Ah, now it's that way? - Guess why? - [Octavian] I'm gonna be- - Yeah. - I'm gonna be a moving, annoying obstacle. - Okay. - Just so you get a sense of what the system, how the system reacts, right? So right now I'm talking so it can hear. - Yes. - [Octavian] You can feel what the system is doing based on where I move. - Oh, hang on. That suddenly switched over there. - [Octavian] Yeah, if I come this way, it's gonna switch again. - Yeah. Oh, hang on. - [Octavian] Is it that way or the other way? - That way. - Yeah, perfect. - And back. - [Cornel] Everybody is surrounding you right no, so- - Oh, that's right. Okay. I'm trying to figure it out. - You can probably- - Okay, yes. - I mean, you can go whenever you want. As long as you follow the feedback, you're safe. - It's so strange. - Guess why? - Why? - Because I was right in front of it. - [Shaun] Okay. Every time. Oh, I totally get that. It's surprising how quickly you get used to it. - Yep, in two minutes. - Yeah, no, that is very good. I gotta say I'm quite impressed with that. - Well, we aim to please. - Very good. Thank you. - Try to see the emergency feedback, and cover the cameras. - Oh. Loud. - You heard the audio, and the feedback, the haptic notification as well. - Yes, yes. So that was the emergency stop. - Yeah, I covered the cameras. - You're about to walk into something. - Anytime that any of the cameras do not satisfy the safety requirements, in a couple of hundred milliseconds, it will give you emergency stop. - That is very impressive. I've gotta say, the feedback and the response time is really good. - You could run with it, but let's not do that today, 'cause you need a few hours of training. - I don't run anyway. - [Cornel] You need a few hours of training. - That's very impressive. Thank you so much. - [Cornel] Our pleasure. - [Octavian] Perfect. - So there you go. Another cool piece of tech here at the Zero Project Conference in Vienna. More of that to come here on YouTube, and of course daily on the Double Tap Podcast and on Access Tech Live, which you can find on accesstechlive.com, on YouTube, on AMI plus, on AMI TV, anywhere you can think of, that's where you'll find us. And we will, of course, be back here on YouTube again soon. Again, from the Zero Project Conference in Vienna.